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Umm.. How did it get to Strength 12? Was it a Reptilia class with the Reptilian Rigor set to Strength (to get starting strength of 4), and with maxed increased Strength as well as an additional strength enhancement of 4? That sounds like it wouldn't have a lot of defense. Maybe feed it some expendable units while you have your other units be convenient elsewhere, or aim a cannon up it's behind.

@Ward Bannink It was his insekt that had those stats. And I tried. I was playing biests and did not have cannons, just misunderstood how to take spells so I brought 2 REALLY bad ones.

@Ward Bannink It had strength 6, and then crushing 3, this gives it three attacks at double the strength (12 in this case). So the insekt was a beast in melee, but no ranged and week willpower. As it turned out Durnaxe took spells that were not able to do anything to it.

Ah, gotcha. Should've been difficult to kill, but far from impossible. Just a lack of focus then, or maybe trying to play the mission instead?

@Jack Rocchio I was testing magic and found out that darkbolt still counted his armor and could not do anything to it. If I had brought Death's Gate instead I would have killed it in 1 hit but at the time I misunderstood how taking powers worked.

@Durnaxe Understood. Any lingering confusion, or have you got that sorted?

First section: (1)Magic from above the Battlefield. If I am reducing my range from 30" to 21" from my innate power, do I still get to double it like a normal ranged attack? If so, do I go 30x2-9=51 or 30-9x2=42" ranges? (2-4) So on page 69 where it shows reptilia spell casting, where it say "Willpower 4 + die result 3 + Toughness 2=9" that does not apply to innate powers then? So its Will+strength enhancement+d6=result for casting innate powers, then what about a power that gets a strength enhancement? Say something like lighting bolt with an augment of +1 strength making it 4 strength? Would that be willpower+toughness(channel)+d6+1 (from the 4 strength spell)= Casting? Second section: (1)Yea 250 was our first game, it has gotten better at higher points. We also learned that we had no idea what we were doing from faction creation. We are slowly getting all the mistakes resolved. (4) He wasn't really clumping everything into super units. He had 3 wizards in 1 unit, a squad with a bunch of beefed up war beasts, and a squad of riflemen in the back. If it weren't for the fact that his riflemen couldn't hit my draconic up in the air very well he would have rolled over me with a strength 8 toughness 8 Golem. But anyway the stats for my Draconic were: Strength 5 | Toughness 6/7 (nat armor) | movement 4 Martial 2/3 (Claws) | Ranged 2 | Defense 4 Discipline 4 | Willpower 4 | Command 3 Wounds 4 | Attacks 3 | Size Large Level 3, 160 points. 1st Trait Draconic Bloodline -Ice Shards-Ice bolt -Dragons Toughness -Dragons Strength 2nd Trait Cunning Mind Extra Devolutionary Trait Reptilian wings I took Troglodyte as my baseline species so swapping to different bloodlines for classes has made them slightly cheaper. His points have changed recently by me realizing I can give him drake wings (for 4pts less) and adding scales to my baseline species but that's his stats when I played my game with him.

@Durnaxe

1. You're going to 51" possible threat range. You're right that normally you'd have 60" total range, we're just taking 9 off the final result for Above Combat flying. Note that going past your Accuracy Range with Powers increases their Difficulty by 2, in addition to giving hostile targets +2 CS.

2. It does not apply, at least not exactly. Different sources of magic have their own Channeling capabilities; in this instance, Wizards use Toughness but Innate Powers use Strength Enhancement.

3. The Power's own Strength is irrelevant for the initial casting. If you'll follow along on pg. 28 of the Core Rules, you'll see that Power resolution is broken into three steps. Steps 1 and 3 use a [Willpower + d6] result to determine their results, with step 1also allowing for Channeling (here it's your Strength Enhancement), and step 3 dropping that for CS (which is where the Power's own Strength would matter).

Very budget dragon build that nonetheless can put down some hurt, I like it. Definitely beatable, too. I bet with a few more reps you guys will have things figured out well and good.

A houserule that we like to use in our group, is that even if one side loses -everything- objective-wise, they still get a 10% amount of progression points, due to 'learning from mistakes' and such. Getting absolutely roflstomped ánd not achieving any progression is just no fun in our opinions : )

I also have an army with stupidly tough Dragonborns (toughness 7, 8 with natural armor 1), which are almost impervious to conventional weaponry. Conventional being key here. Try and either fight your opponent in the way he/she can't defend as efficiently (my dragonborn don't have much will, for example), or lower their toughness with stuff like piercing or corrosion.

@Ward Bannink Right now we are just trying out all the different things, trying to get a handle on them, but his one 160 something point model was able to single handedly kill my entire 1500pt army. That is what we mean by broken, I had magic, but could not get close enough to use it before he could kill me, I had guns but they are not strong enough to hurt him, and as he was flying my melee guys could not even fight him. Now I have some ideas, but I am going to have to build my army to fight his one monster, and this sounds like an easy way to get messed up as all he has to do is not take it, and then my army is nerfed again. Now the hope is that we made a mistake reading the rules, but all of us there read them the same way. Then we ask here and get people (not you Ward) saying I did not read what you had to say but here is what you need to do, this is not very helpful. Your house rule might be something that we look at as we have already come up with somethings that we are going to house rule, so thank you.